Jo Conlon: Canl the external links be posted in the chat room please? Roger Harrison Univ Manchester: Can you put in teh link here for McWilliam manofgold: Yes, please put the link up Olavur Ellefsen: http://www.appa.asn.au/conferences/2011/mcwilliam-presentation.pdf Jo Conlon: Thanks Roger Harrison Univ Manchester: is there a way i can go back a slide so I can do a Screen Shot Kim: Go to save and selected whiteboards to save the previous slide Teresa 2: I can't hear the presentation. I can see the slides but no sound. Roger Harrison Univ Manchester: great thanks Belinda (Uni. Northampton): (Wow - I didnt realise you could go to selected Whiteboards - thank you!) Ruth to Peter Hartley, Panos Vlachopoulos, Caroline Greves, Sarah Currier (Jorum Service Manager), David Walker, chris pegler, Chris Pegler 2: sound very poor xiaoxia wang: i can hear some voice but not clear at all. daran price: i CAN HEAR FINE Will Stewart: I can hear fine also Sue Barnes: I can hear too daran price: Excuse the SHOUTING! Moderator (Sarah Currier (Jorum Service Manager)): Sounds fine to me, occasionally cuts out briefly Roger Harrison Univ Manchester: is your microphone too close to your mouth as it is very blustery Adam B: sound is ok just slightly muffled Elizabeth C: ditto Jim Pettiward: sound alright for me - a bit muffled but audible. Roger Harrison Univ Manchester: can you put up tthe link please Kim: Boards are going through too quickly Moderator (David Walker): Link to book Peter mentioned: http://www.palgrave.com/products/title.aspx?pid=371507 Moderator (Panos Vlachopoulos) to Peter Hartley, Panos Vlachopoulos, Caroline Greves, Sarah Currier (Jorum Service Manager), David Walker, chris pegler, Chris Pegler 2: question for Peter: with all the techologies available, how important is to introduce them in the context of learining and teaching to our students? shouls this be part of our 'teaching' It;s not immdiately apparent how, for example ,an e-portfolio can be of benefit? Olavur Ellefsen: C-link http://conceptlinkage.org/ Moderator (Panos Vlachopoulos) to Peter Hartley, Panos Vlachopoulos, Caroline Greves, Sarah Currier (Jorum Service Manager), David Walker, chris pegler, Chris Pegler 2: oopss the question was meant to the open floor Moderator (Sarah Currier (Jorum Service Manager)): Hello all! Roger Harrison Univ Manchester: Yeah - I didn't even know you were based in Manchester! Roger Harrison Univ Manchester: I've learnt something new already and I bet you may even be in the same building - the wonders of MOOCs Moderator (Peter Hartley) to Peter Hartley, Panos Vlachopoulos, Caroline Greves, Sarah Currier (Jorum Service Manager), David Walker, chris pegler, Chris Pegler 2: Panos - can you repost the question to the room Moderator (Panos Vlachopoulos): yes... Moderator (Panos Vlachopoulos): question for Peter: with all the techologies available, how important is to introduce them in the context of learining and teaching to our students? shouls this be part of our 'teaching' It;s not immdiately apparent how, for example ,an e-portfolio can be of benefit? Kim: Tools polliing put resulkts to whiteboard Moderator (Caroline Greves) to Sarah Currier (Jorum Service Manager): Tools > polling > show statistics Moderator (Sarah Currier (Jorum Service Manager)): http://beta.jorum.ac.uk/find SolentRoger: Are there any plans for a Moodle repositry plug-in for Jorum to make it easier to promote/access/browse/consume for lecturing staff? Roger Harrison Univ Manchester: I get confused about which directories should we use - there seems to be so many different search engines and directories around now. mhawksey: Other All of the above carolhowells: how do you search for CC only on you tube? Jim Pettiward: I put E as I use a mixture of a, b, c, d depends what I'm looking for Elizabeth C: likewise Adam B: CC content is helpful, feels more reassuring when reusing Kim: Cle\r polling from last mhawksey: Other Looks pretty Sue Barnes: Other - Relevance LucyTallents: Other - how focussed the resource is to my teaching needs Jim Pettiward: again, really depends what it's for.. Moderator (Chris Pegler 2) to Peter Hartley, Panos Vlachopoulos, Caroline Greves, Sarah Currier (Jorum Service Manager), David Walker, chris pegler, Chris Pegler 2: E = combination Elizabeth C: Focus on the topic Ruth to Peter Hartley, Panos Vlachopoulos, Caroline Greves, Sarah Currier (Jorum Service Manager), David Walker, chris pegler, Chris Pegler 2: why is the text chat wider than the box necessitating scrolling to read each line? Can I alter this? Roger Harrison Univ Manchester: a bit none techno but what does it mean if it's Beta? daran price: Normally pre realease? John Kerr: means its in testing to a community of users Kim: Still has bugs Roger Harrison Univ Manchester: ah thanks for the clarification Roger Harrison Univ Manchester: my sound keeps cutting out Moderator (Panos Vlachopoulos): question for Sarah: what is currently the (estmated) usage of Jorum among UK universities? is this considered satisfactory? Elizabeth C: me too Jo Conlon: Me too CarinaBois: me too simonbates: Is anyone else loosing sound? Kim: Yes Jim Pettiward: yes Elizabeth C: yes simon daran price: OK now Moderator (Panos Vlachopoulos): yes, and it then speeds to catch up Teresa 2: yes keeps cutting out Roger Harrison Univ Manchester: Sounds like you're in a Shower Moderator (Panos Vlachopoulos): yes but with a bit of an echo Martina Johnson: bit echo-y though Elizabeth C: echo Olavur Ellefsen: noisy Sue Folley: bad sound - a lot of echo Roger Harrison Univ Manchester: sounds like you're in a a rain storm Adam B: that sounds better Moderator (Peter Hartley) to Peter Hartley, Panos Vlachopoulos, Caroline Greves, Sarah Currier (Jorum Service Manager), David Walker, chris pegler, Chris Pegler 2: keep going please chris Elizabeth C: better Moderator (Panos Vlachopoulos): better bow... Martina Johnson: that sounds better to me too Moderator (Panos Vlachopoulos): go on David Jennings: Try unplugging and replugging the mic? Sometimes works... Moderator (Peter Hartley) to Peter Hartley, Panos Vlachopoulos, Caroline Greves, Sarah Currier (Jorum Service Manager), David Walker, chris pegler, Chris Pegler 2: bit better Moderator (David Walker) to Peter Hartley, Panos Vlachopoulos, Caroline Greves, Sarah Currier (Jorum Service Manager), David Walker, chris pegler, Chris Pegler 2: It's fine Chris carry on Moderator (David Walker) to Peter Hartley, Panos Vlachopoulos, Caroline Greves, Sarah Currier (Jorum Service Manager), David Walker, chris pegler, Chris Pegler 2: It's fine Paul Norman: It OK here Jim Pettiward: it's OK - I can hear Adam B: im OK Elizabeth C: fine Moderator (Peter Hartley) to Peter Hartley, Panos Vlachopoulos, Caroline Greves, Sarah Currier (Jorum Service Manager), David Walker, chris pegler, Chris Pegler 2: ok carry on LucyTallents: sound is ok Roger Harrison Univ Manchester: but what is wasting students time - how do we always know. Doesn't rhizomatic pedagogy suggest that we need to just put down some nodes manofgold: Hi Roger - another Uni Manchester participant here. What rhizomatic pedagogy? Moderator (Peter Hartley) to Peter Hartley, Panos Vlachopoulos, Caroline Greves, Sarah Currier (Jorum Service Manager), David Walker, chris pegler, Chris Pegler 2: Roger - have you got a recommended link for folk who have not come across rhizomatic pedagogy Paul Richardson: @Roger. Good point. Sometimes students think they are wasting time, when you know they are not! It's a judgement call.. Kim: It's about making it clear why they are learning. I use learning outcomes to let students know what their aim is and then at thend how this ealds to the next part Jim Pettiward: http://www.slideshare.net/orioleproject/chris-pegler-reusable-card-game Roger Harrison Univ Manchester: it's about how learning is about putting down the nodes, then providing an environment that lets the roots go on and grow where ever they need to Moderator (Peter Hartley): Roger - have you got a recommended link for folk who have not come across rhizomatic pedagogy Elizabeth C: Thanks Jim Roger Harrison Univ Manchester: Manofgold - maybe send me your contact email I'm roger.harrison@mancheser.ac.uk Jim Pettiward: often the beautiful learning objects are the hardest to produce and hardest to remix.... manofgold: yep, andrew.gold@manchester.ac.uk Roger Harrison Univ Manchester: http://www.open.ac.uk/blogs/innovating/?page_id=55 Moderator (Peter Hartley) to Peter Hartley, Panos Vlachopoulos, Caroline Greves, Sarah Currier (Jorum Service Manager), David Walker, chris pegler, Chris Pegler 2: chris - 2 minutes daran price: http://davecormier.com/edblog/2008/06/03/rhizomatic-education-community-as-curriculum/ Kim: I often find with openlearn OERs that I spend as mnuch time repurposing than it would have taken to create from scratch Moderator (Panos Vlachopoulos): Rhizomatic_Learning: the Walker Educator....nice one Roger manofgold: I suspect many academics worry about the time it takes to adapt materials. Jim Pettiward: what exactly is the situation with NC - to what extent is educational use non-commercial? V.diff question I know but interested in others views.. manofgold: Thanks for the rhizo links, guys! Elizabeth C: Manofgold - I agree and that can be a barrier Kim: There is also a lot of time spent searching through OERs that are not suitable or are poor quality Jo Conlon: Thanks heaps - more reading! Moderator (Peter Hartley) to Peter Hartley, Panos Vlachopoulos, Caroline Greves, Sarah Currier (Jorum Service Manager), David Walker, chris pegler, Chris Pegler 2: TIME Roger Harrison Univ Manchester: Stephen Downes has some interesting points about creative commons and how it can be abused Roger Harrison Univ Manchester: Perfect sound quality so far at last Tom D: I agree with and echo Jim Pettiward's question: what is non-commercial in education? Are MOOCs non-commercial, for instance? (Or are they simply yet to work out their financial model?) Elizabeth C: Link is : http://globaldimensionsinhe.wordpress.com/ Roger Harrison Univ Manchester: Great debate about MOOCS - Coursera want to make lots of money at some point! Jim Pettiward: thanks Elizabeth! Kim: It's interesting that universities are both collaborating and competing Moderator (Chris Pegler 2): Roger: re. wasting students' time. One thing that we do is for each resource estimate the time required and expose those estimates to peer review. I would also suggest that we need to signpost any shortcuts. Think of those useful ways of skipping between sections in IKEA (and returning). And make things memorable and distinctive and navigatorable so that students don't waste time being lost. The worst waste. Elizabeth C: Kim - yes that can lead to all sorts of tensions and the need to navigate them in a political manner. Jim Pettiward: @kim I'm sure I've heard the phrase 'collaborate TO compete' somewhere... Moderator (Chris Pegler 2): Kim: Yes, learning outcomes and also feedback to students on how they are acheiving/progressing around learning outcomes. In H818 we are flagging at start of each Unit the purpose (general everyday lanuage) and the formal learning outcomes. Kim: Hi Chiris - just finishing the MAODE - H818 looks intersting Keith Smyth: Hello *waves* Moderator (Chris Pegler 2): Jim: I agree that the beautiful may be Read-Only, do not touch, so you need to have activity around these rather than remix (Read-Write) Roger Harrison Univ Manchester: some of these approaches for development etc, reflect the models we use in healthcare for identifying, assessing and then planning in terms of need as part of Health Needs Assessment. So here we have a learning needs assessment mdoel Roger Harrison Univ Manchester: Keith thanks for the comment on your blog Megan Sanderson: @Pegler: Agree...time wasted being lost is the worst waste of time. I would be interested in learning more about your peer review process. Moderator (Chris Pegler 2): Kim: Is the time spent repurposing useful? I don't think that reuse is necessarily about saving time. Its often about making a better course (bringing in new ideas and extending your range?) Keith Smyth: @Roger no worries - got a few suggestions to post to you today Moderator (Chris Pegler 2): Manogold: Time to adapt is not trivial - agree Roger Harrison Univ Manchester: there is no one model - need to consider the needs of different groups, different professions, different countries Moderator (Chris Pegler 2): Tom D: Depends on the MOOC whether its NC Kim: Chris: agree but we are time poor in education. We have to be selective. Jim Pettiward: I think OEP is as if not more important than OER.. David Jennings: Internationalisation requires options for localisation, doesn't it? James Kerr: Internationalization requires common context or customization/individualization Adam B: What role do you see students being able to play in evaluating resources for use, or making this part of the learning process? Roger Harrison Univ Manchester: exactly David - we must approach all of this from the context of the potential users manofgold: Jim: OEP seems like an even greater challenge to the sector. Sue: Really like the idea of Open Educational Practices as an opportunity to share good practice/tips Olavur Ellefsen: 1) To do it meaningfully you need to engage with professionals in each location Elizabeth C: An extension to OER practice is more likely to occur if there is shared/common goal being and thus makes sense to collaborate to benefit multiple lecturer/institutions. Paul Richardson: On both questions.. Need to identify barriers, and next steps for teachers to engatge with. These a (broadly) digital literacy issues. Roger Harrison Univ Manchester: also need to consider how we move outside of our own silos James Kerr: OEP is a movement; OER is a collection of resources Roger Harrison Univ Manchester: and it represents a big change in power distribution Moderator (Panos Vlachopoulos): yes...there is an interesting newish term called 'internationalised localism", where itnernational notions are localised to fit the context..its a very popula term in the ~East at the moment Jim Pettiward: @manofgold - yes, agreed. OER are less useful without the practices to go withh them manofgold: I think the silo culture is a major barrier to OEP/OER Elizabeth C: @James in which case you use the OER to acheive or start OEP daran price: @manofold I agree! Moderator (Chris Pegler 2): Kim: H818 will be great. Keith *waves back* is one of the reviewers - waiting to find out what he's let himself in for. Will Stewart: Diigo also good way to enable students to contribute to course resources Paul Richardson: Q1: It is important to work with more than one langauge. It doesn't mean you have to be fluent in lots of language - just to know how to work with them. Plenty of tools to help you do this.. Roger Harrison Univ Manchester: manofgold - glad it's not just me having that experience here in the north Jim Pettiward: isn't it called 'glocalisation' these days? Horrific word,, Elizabeth C: Jim that it is! Moderator (David Walker) to Peter Hartley, Panos Vlachopoulos, Caroline Greves, Sarah Currier (Jorum Service Manager), David Walker, chris pegler, Chris Pegler 2: lol agree horrible word Jim Roger Harrison Univ Manchester: there is a big debate about the difference between globalisation and internationalisation Keith Smyth: @Chris looking forward to seeing H818 Jim Pettiward: is H818 going to be a MOOC like h817? hope so Moderator (Chris Pegler 2): Megan: Peer review process - please email and I can say more. chris.pegler@open.ac.uk Moderator (Panos Vlachopoulos): yes..Jim horrific word..I agree.. there is a very itneresting book "Asias As a Method' by Professor Kuan Chen Elizabeth C: Sarah - that is excellent news re the Moodle plugin manofgold: All collaborations are experimental in nature, so I guess we need to be less afraisd of failing in the sector? Tom D: Chris, great point, that the use may change, starting non-commercial, but the business model may alter. I'd love to know more about the best approaches to these issues. Olavur Ellefsen: 2) Collaboration is key to OEP, as practices are what we *do* - participating in connectivist MOOCs would be an obvious way of promoting OEPs SolentRoger: Thanks - will really open up Jorum if it can be accessed directly from Moodle Elizabeth C: Sarah you keep cutting out Moderator (Chris Pegler 2): Jim: Yes, we've talked about some aspects of OEP without _calling_ it OER Jim Pettiward: @Panos thanks, I'll check it out manofgold: Can Jorum be accessed directly via Blackboard? Megan Sanderson: @Pegler: Thanks! I'll email. mhawksey: @sarah is LTI not a better way? James Kerr: @Elizabeth: Excellent point! Thanks! Moderator (Caroline Greves) to Peter Hartley: All fine! Moderator (Sarah Currier (Jorum Service Manager)): @mhawksey - for what? Moderator (David Walker): Thank you for your fantastic contributions folks! David Jennings: Thanks very much, Peter, and colleagues! Elizabeth C: Thank you all Moderator (Chris Pegler 2): Jim: Some parts of H818 will be open in OpenLearn as with all OU courses but sorry no MOOC. Its a project-based course. Sue Barnes: Thanks Keith Smyth: Many thanks - lots to think about and lots of great points! Moderator (Sarah Currier (Jorum Service Manager)): Take it offline Martin! Will Stewart: Thanks for an interesting session Moderator (Sarah Currier (Jorum Service Manager)): Thanks everyone- Jim Pettiward: thanks very much - veery interesting Jo Conlon: Thanks all Megan Sanderson: Thanks to all! Tom D: Thanks indeed, interesting. Moderator (Chris Pegler 2): Thanks everyone SolentRoger: Many Thanks - shame the sound was terrible for the most part Moderator (Panos Vlachopoulos): bye everyone!!! David Jennings: I'm in a busy Royal Festival Hall, so can't really speak... Jim Pettiward: @chris Thanks, I'll look out for it in OpenLearn Moderator (Peter Hartley) to Peter Hartley, Panos Vlachopoulos, Caroline Greves, Sarah Currier (Jorum Service Manager), David Walker, Chris Pegler 2: Many thanks to everyone and apologies again for our sounddifficulties Moderator (David Walker): Bye everyone, great discussion. Happy to share more info about GDinHE project - contact Keith Smyth, myself (@drdjwalker) or Panos Vlachopolous for more info.