Moderator (Maren (Moderator)): Hi everyone, this webinar will begin at 12.30 BST, in about 45 minutes. Moderator (Maren (Moderator)) to diana: Hi Diana, Moderator (Maren (Moderator)) to diana: I think every time you use application sharing you seem to get disconnected. Moderator (Maren (Moderator)) to diana: What application are you trying to share? Moderator (diana): yes - just emailed slides to you Moderator (diana): I was trying ppt, and it just cleared everything. Moderator (Maren (Moderator)) to diana: I will upload them now. Lucinda - Victoria University Australia: evening from downunder .. Moderator (Maren (Moderator)) to diana: You slides are now up starting at #7, the first few are for the intro for me and david Moderator (Maren (Moderator)) to diana: You can have a look through if you like Moderator (Maren (Moderator)): Hi everyone! Moderator (Maren (Moderator)): Great to see you joining the webinar. Moderator (Maren (Moderator)): Welcome to Lucinda from Australia! Moderator (Maren (Moderator)) to diana: Diana, we are all set then Moderator (Maren (Moderator)) to diana: If anything happens during the webinar, there should always be at least 2 moderators present Moderator (Maren (Moderator)) to diana: In case of trouble, ring us on 01865 484 405 Lucinda - Victoria University Australia: sorry just stepped away to make coffee Ping 1: Hello All from further down under in NZ, still in ocTEL orientation mode. Glad to be here. Lucinda - Victoria University Australia: I gather the time means we will be starting in 30mins Moderator (Maren (Moderator)) to diana: Yes, the clock counts down to the approximate start time. Moderator (Maren (Moderator)): Yes, the clock counts down to the approximate start time. Moderator (diana): Thanks Maren, I'll wait for you to load up my slides and then I advance them I assume, but can't remember how -just the usual forward arrow? Moderator (Maren (Moderator)): Welcome to everyone - please do post a short hello in the chat box if you like. damonhill to Maren Deepwell, Maren (Moderator), diana: Hello! I have no idea how i've become damon hill! nevertheless i'm mamaged to find my way on here :) Barbara Wilford: Hello, very impressed with commitment from Oz and NZ particpants, in North East England, I'm just sitting at my deak at work having lunch! damonhill to Maren (Moderator), diana, Maren Deepwell: *i've managed Moderator (Maren (Moderator)) to damonhill: Hi, if not damonhill, who might you be - and welcome! Moderator (diana): Hello damonhill - so who are you? Lucinda - Victoria University Australia: I am just sitting back with coffee after dinner damonhill to Maren (Moderator), diana: I'm Robin Jhagra, i might be on your list? I'm a lecturer participating from the university of the west of england Ping 1: hi Lucinda: Waiheke. Thanks to recent daylight savings, this is an hour earlier; just after 11pm now Moderator (Maren (Moderator)): Well, the sun has just come out here in Oxford, UK, but I am guessing in Australia even the evening is warmer than here... Lucinda - Victoria University Australia: yes thank goodness daylight saving has finished here as well Lucinda - Victoria University Australia: 22 in melboure Moderator (Maren (Moderator)): Let's hope that by the time ocTEL finishes in June, we'll have similar warmth! Germana.Napolitano: Hello to everyone!I'm Germana from Italy. I'm PhD Student - University of Macerata. If we will starting in 20 mins i'm going to nurse my baby, he's two months :-) Lucinda - Victoria University Australia: Colleague is on a plane tomorrow bound for the uk and he will be vivting Oxford while he is there ... research for his PhD Lucinda - Victoria University Australia: visiting* Teresa: Hello from a chilly London. damonhill: Hi germana, Hi Lucinda, hi gang... damonhill: Yes, UK is chilly indeed but rumours suggest next week is when the plant will begin to sprout... it didn't come from michael fish either (notorious weatherman back in the 80's) Nitin Parmar: Hello! I'm based at the University of Bath. Sue Barnes: Hi Nith Sue Barnes: Hi all! I am based at the University of Strathclyde Nitin Parmar: Hi Sue. Just working out how Elluminate works, so that last message was meant to be a private one, rather than introducing myself to the whole group. Oh well - maybe I'll start a trend. Nitin Parmar: :) damonhill: Lovely Glasgow, miss it. Welcome Sue and Nitin damonhill: lol @ Nitin Moderator (Maren (Moderator)) to Maren (Moderator), diana, Anna Davidge, Maren Deepwell: Hi there, could you (logged in as Maren Deepwell) log in again using this link https://sas.elluminate.com/m.jnlp?sid=7565&password=M.DE7761F09D9A3D6F03A998E592ED6D Germana.Napolitano: :-) Sue Barnes: Hi Nitin. (Not Nith) Sorry I didnt have my glasses on Moderator (Maren (Moderator)) to Maren (Moderator), diana, Anna Davidge, Maren Deepwell, Caroline Greves, David Jennings: Hi David! Moderator (Maren (Moderator)) to Maren (Moderator), diana, Anna Davidge, Maren Deepwell, Caroline Greves, David Jennings: There are two of me, but I am Maren (Moderator) Sue Barnes: @domonhill Glasgow is very cold but still lovey in its way! Sue Barnes: I am not doing well - apologies @damonhill Moderator (David Jennings) to Maren (Moderator), diana, Anna Davidge, Maren Deepwell, Caroline Greves, David Jennings: Hi there, sorry, my computer being extra slow today Moderator (David Jennings) to Maren (Moderator), diana, Anna Davidge, Maren Deepwell, Caroline Greves, David Jennings: have checked audio Sue Barnes: I think I am being to chatty! Moderator (David Jennings): Sue, you're doing well, keep going ;-) Sue Barnes: Thanks @David Jennings Moderator (Maren (Moderator)) to Maren (Moderator), diana, Anna Davidge, Caroline Greves, David Jennings, Maren Deepwell: Welcome all! Right, get ready for presenters testing mics. Moderator (Maren (Moderator)): Welcome all! Right, get ready for presenters testing mics. damonhill: :) Nitin Parmar: :) Elizabeth Charles: I can't hear you Moderator (David Jennings): Elizabeth, have you tried the Audio Set-up Wizard? Janesh: Hello from Manchester :) Joyce: Hello, I'm based in sunny Bomley! Barbara Wilford: Hi I'm based at Teesside University, Middlesbrough Riverblade1889: Hello from not so sunny Glasgow Sharon Flynn: Hello everyone. I'm connecting in from Galway, Ireland Tendai Dube: Hi everyone! Jim Pettiward: Hi, I'm Jim Pettiward, based at London Metropolitan University. Feels like Spring today! Carol Howells: hello from London Catherine Koppe 1: Hello from chilly Edinburgh :) Eloise Tan, Dublin City University: Hi :) I'm based in Dublin. Rob McKerlie: Hi, I am based at the Dental School in Glasgiow Irmgard: Hello from Oxford Brookes zhyb: Hi, everyone. Jon Taylor 1: Hello, am from Aston University, but today in murky Leamington Kim Aling: Hi Everyone, I'm in sort of sunny Swindon joanwalker65 4: joanwalker65 in Glasgow damonhill: Hi Barbara, how's marton road doing? Graham R Gibbs: Hello from Huddersfield rldly: Hi, I am in Dublin Linda Creanor: Hello from Glasgow - there seem to be a few Glaswegians here! :-) damonhill: hi Kim, Graham, Jon, Rob damonhill: all nickos: I'm in Sligo Sue Barnes: @Rob McKerlie I have been to the dental school when my husband had some teeth out! Moderator (Maren (Moderator)) to Maren (Moderator), diana, Anna Davidge, Caroline Greves, David Jennings, Maren Deepwell: Hi Diana, Moderator (Maren (Moderator)) to Maren (Moderator), diana, Anna Davidge, Caroline Greves, David Jennings, Maren Deepwell: Did you want to test your mic again before we get started? Rob McKerlie: @Sue Barnes, a good experience I hope! Lucinda - Victoria University Australia: Hi all from downunder ... lovely warm evening here Sue Barnes: @ John Taylor As a student I worked in the 'Pot of Beer' and the 'Sack of Potatoes' Are they still there? Moderator (Maren (Moderator)) to Maren (Moderator), diana, Anna Davidge, Caroline Greves, David Jennings, Maren Deepwell: #ocTEL Sue Barnes: @Rob McKerlie It was fine for me! Moderator (Maren (Moderator)): #ocTEL Jon Taylor 1: @Sue Sacks is still there! not found the Pot... some worthy research to do now Elizabeth Charles: Great - now have sound. kathryn.james: Hi Nitin... good thanks... Thanks to your twitter I remembered about this! How is life in Bath. Kj Moderator (diana): maren did you hear that? Moderator (Maren (Moderator)): All good with the sounds, thanks, Diana Moderator (diana): Maren did my audio come through? Susan: Hi from the University of West London in Ealing, West London Elizabeth Charles: Elizabeth: Hi from London Moderator (diana): ah got it - sorry that should be fine then. rae bowdler: :) Alison Sharman: Hi kathryn, yes it's me and you do owe me an email! Sun is shining! Moderator (diana) to Maren (Moderator), diana, Anna Davidge, Caroline Greves, David Jennings, Maren Deepwell: Maren how do i advance my slides when you've out them up? just forward arrow? Moderator (Maren (Moderator)): http://octel.alt.ac.uk/help/ Moderator (Maren (Moderator)): If you cannot hear David, please show your thumbs down and we can try to help Tendai Dube: How long is this session by the way? Moderator (Maren (Moderator)): We're aiming to finish by 13:45 or so, depending on how much discussion there is. 14.00 end latest. Tendai Dube: ok, thanks. Moderator (David Jennings): http://octel.alt.ac.uk/communications-in-large-online-courses/ Moderator (David Jennings): http://octel.alt.ac.uk/communications-in-large-online-courses/#comment-57 Moderator (Maren (Moderator)): If you would like to find out more how to get your contributions read see http://octel.alt.ac.uk/helping-to-ensure-your-contributions-get-read/ Martina Johnson: Now that I have changed my JISCmail setting to just receive the daily digest it is much more manageable. But I do have to admit I almost dropped out before even starting due to the overwhelming email traffic at the beginning. Moderator (Maren (Moderator)): Glad you got this sorted, Martina Moderator (Maren (Moderator)): The course reader is at http://octel.alt.ac.uk/category/reader/ Stephen Brown: Ive done the same as Martina, but now Im finding thoings a bit quiet. Is there a halfway hpouse between digest and full-on email? Phil Tubman - Lancaster Uni: i set up an outlook rule for all messages from octel-public rae bowdler: yes good idea Phil carolyn: yes I did the same as Phil. Phil (I am xiaoxia) SolentRoger: I did what Phil said..^^^ Jim Pettiward: I set up a Gmail rule - seemed to work well. Also, I think it's good to actively look for the content in the course that's most useful for you then set up feeds etc. Moderator (David Jennings): Stephen, I'm not sure if this works as a half way house http://octel.alt.ac.uk/category/reader/lists/jiscmail/ ? Stephen Brown: Good tips everyone, thanks Phil Tubman - Lancaster Uni: hi carolyn/ xiaoxia :) SolentRoger: What are the big answers we are looking for? Jennie Osborn: Hi SolentRoger! (doctorjen) SolentRoger: Hi Jennie Kim Aling: Getting students to engage as well Geoff Constable: Q: Can TEL be used to widen access to H.E.? Kim Aling: I think the OU suggests that's the case Geoff Moderator (David Jennings): Geoff, also University of Derby Online was looking at doing an online access to HE course - and University of Dundee already does one, I think... Geoff Constable: Aha, Geoff Constable: thanks. Elizabeth Charles: Diana's audio is breaking up Jennie Osborn: the OU 'access' to HE modules are largely delivered off-line - using one-to-one telephone support. Janesh: Fine hre Janesh: here Sue Barnes: Not for me @Elizabeth Charles Elizabeth Charles: Thanks - I try another headphone Lucinda - Victoria University Australia: would like the ratio of 1:25... I have 456 students this semester SolentRoger: Is H.E. eventually going to be part of compulsory education for all, or should it? Would governments support it? cb #2: I feel the distinction MOOC vs standard online course is a bit contrived for PR reasons Phil Tubman - Lancaster Uni: the question is whether high quality he education can be offered via MOOCs - fear the govt would like to think that it is on parity and use it as an excuse to further elist-ise and international-ise the physical institutions... Sue Barnes to Maren (Moderator), diana, Anna Davidge, Caroline Greves, David Jennings, Maren Deepwell: Can we get it so the whole of the chat appears horizontally in the chat window. i.e. so we don't need to scroll to the right to read them? Phil Tubman - Lancaster Uni: @cb #2 - i agree for the moment, but we are still in the first part of the hype cycle.. Phil Tubman - Lancaster Uni: so there is lots more to offer cb #2: @Phil I agree things could change but imo that is because we never really learnt to integrate standard online courses yet. Elizabeth Charles: @Phil T where is the learners' feedback on thi? If the student feel not getting parity of quality they may choose to walk? Graham R Gibbs: tutor time only 'shoots up' because you used a log scale Sue Barnes to Maren (Moderator), diana, Anna Davidge, Caroline Greves, David Jennings, Maren Deepwell: I don't think that, as a participant, I can, but I might be wrong Teresa: how do we set good quality assessments (not just multiple choice test) and give good quality feedback in a MOOC? Moderator (Maren (Moderator)) to Sue Barnes: Hi Sue, you should be able to see the whole chat. cb #2: @Teresa I actually wasn't too negative about peer feedback (especially formatively) in some of the coursera MOOCs I did Paul Norman: fuzzy slide quality :( cb #2: Can I change my nickname during a session - cb isn't that informative :-D Moderator (Maren (Moderator)) to Sue Barnes: The slides will also be made available shortly via the ocTEL website Moderator (Maren (Moderator)): The slides will also be made available shortly via the ocTEL website Sue Barnes to Maren (Moderator), diana, Anna Davidge, Caroline Greves, David Jennings, Maren Deepwell: It might be because I am on a mac book air so don't have so have a 10 inch screen. I don't have any control over the chat window - only the whole Elluminate window. Paul Norman: ty :) Phil Tubman - Lancaster Uni: p@cb Phil Tubman - Lancaster Uni: sorry Lucinda - Victoria University Australia: how do we enhance student engagment in TEL in the mature age student new to HE Eloise Tan, Dublin City University: I think I missed something... where does the ratio of 1:25 come from? Kim Aling: The ratio of staff to students expected as HE participation increases Sue Barnes to Maren (Moderator), diana, Anna Davidge, Caroline Greves, David Jennings, Maren Deepwell: Tried that - the layout says it is locked. I can try different layout types but they don't help. Tendai Dube: staff-student ration Tendai Dube: oops ratio Stephen Brown: Its a typical staff-student ratio regardless of delivery mode Uwe: It is the ratio commonly used as most economically efficient in GB Lucinda - Victoria University Australia: obviously this 1:25 ratio is not observed in australia. Phil Tubman - Lancaster Uni: our first year tutors would love a 1:25 ratio :) Sue Barnes to Maren (Moderator), diana, Anna Davidge, Caroline Greves, David Jennings: its not a huge problem - just annoying rldly: It may be the ideal ratio but not typical in my experience Elizabeth Charles: Not observed here in some subject cohorts of students Eloise Tan, Dublin City University: @Kim @tendai thanks., it's not typical in my experience either... and i had never heard of it working in Canada before. Muyi: @Stephen Brown: Does the 1:25 ratio also apply in MOOC's? Moderator (David Jennings): @Muyi if it did, we'd have to have 40 tutors working on the course... we don't (not at the same time, anyway) Uwe: @Muyi - don't know about MOOCs but in (highly) facilitated online courses the ideal group size is around 10! cb #2: According to the OECD Education at a glance student-teacher ratio in Tertiary Education is much lower in most countries http://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/education/education-at-a-glance-2012_eag-2012-en Stephen Brown: @Muyi: I think thats the point Diana is trying to address. It only applies if (a) you dont provide much learner support or (b) ou have masses of people providing learner support. Jennie Osborn: @uwe - which begs the question are MOOCs just really bad elearning? SolentRoger: campus ratios are more than just the classroom numbers - add in the support from the library, academic support, access/disability, IT helpdesk etc etc...put all those staff into ratio. How do MOOCs offer that kind of support? Kim Aling: The OU model serves a lot more students and supports them well Phil Tubman - Lancaster Uni: they are great informal learning for sure! HeatherDale1: I think that might be my big question Jenni Jennie Osborn: but teaching for the OU having a group of more than 25 is very unusual, and then if you factor in all the student services support, etc the ratio is even lower. Jim Pettiward: One problem is the lack of digital literacies of many academic staff. Can be difficult for them to be innovative if they don't understand the parameters.. Uwe: @Jennie - as Diana outlined it depends on the course - if it is mainly content based and low in facilitation you can "turn around" a lot more students .. cb #2: Ranges from 9.2 (Norway) to 26.6 (South-Africa) Phil Tubman - Lancaster Uni: @solentroger good point - also access to journals only avail through libraries #openresearch Jennie Osborn: @uwe - but the question I suppose is, is this good elearning? Or not? cb #2: @Jennie it is much lower, see OECD Elizabeth Charles: @SolentRoger - MOOCs don't offer that sort of support and if they do it is very limited. Moderator (Maren (Moderator)): http://www.nmc.org/ Stephen Brown: @Jennie Osborn: you couild be right, the issue that concerns me is that Coursera style MOOCs are at present fantastically succeful in terms of recuitment and thus of potential interest to government. Kim Aling: Recruitment yes, but achievement? Jennie Osborn: @Stephen Brown - the other question is then, is retention important if it isn't an economic driver? SolentRoger: Coursera has huge drop out rates too Clare Killen: Recruitment is just one aspect - retention and achievement are arguably more important. Stephen Brown: @Kin Ailing: yes exactly! Elizabeth Charles: Recruitement does not equate to retention Andy Turner to Maren (Moderator), diana, Anna Davidge, Caroline Greves, David Jennings, Maren Deepwell: Hi Rob McKerlie: I suspect that a number of institutions are using Moocs as PR Jim K.: Time zone support is crucial for synchronous events Moderator (diana): sorry i could not manage also to read all the chat - looks facinating! Stephen Brown: @Elizabeth Charles: again, I agree. But funders may not look at these problems too closely. Mark Glynn: putting up a decent course on something like course is an expensive investment for the college Andy Turner to Maren (Moderator), diana, Anna Davidge, Caroline Greves, David Jennings, Maren Deepwell: Hi David Andy Turner to Maren (Moderator), diana, Anna Davidge, Caroline Greves, David Jennings, Maren Deepwell: For some reason I don't get audio. Please can you help? Teresa: will the chat (very useful questions and responses) also be available online after the webinar? Uwe: Is the PPC tool openly available now? Mark Glynn: correction to last message "....something like Coursera...." Clare Killen: PPC http://web.lkldev.ioe.ac.uk/PPC/live/ODC.html Uwe: Thanks Kim Aling: You can save the chat for yourself if you wish SolentRoger: @Jennie Are MOOCs bad elearning because nobody has worked out how to do them well yet? Its early days. Classroom teaching has had a couple of thousand years head start and still can be low quality Elizabeth Charles: @Stephen Brow not unless it starts to affect the funders' bottom line!! joanwalker65 4: Are MOOC attracting mostly educators at teh moment - maybe this is how you make more progress with TEL Teresa: how do I save the chat? Phil Tubman - Lancaster Uni: @mark - yes this is a concern we are looking at investing lots on Futurelearn courses Jennie Osborn: @Solentroger - very good point! Moderator (diana): tinyurl.com/ppcollector Kim Aling: Click save icon and then save chat Jim K.: Should reluctant staff be pushed to TEL if they don't fully embrace it? Janesh: Diana, while you mentioned the importance of teacher support in HE, what do you think about Peer assessment in resolving some of the issues of scale? Phil Tubman - Lancaster Uni: @solentroger well said that man! Elizabeth Charles: @Jim K if the TEL is not appropriate no they shouldn't be pushed. Jim Pettiward: Q: Do a large proportion of staff at IOE use the PPC for their learning design? What's the feedback on the tool been like? Phil Tubman - Lancaster Uni: many developer forums have a notion of 'karma' attached to user profiles which could help moderation Graham R Gibbs: What are the current technology developments that will help improve efficiency in discursive and disu Stephen Brown: Hi Diana, how likely do you think it is that Governments will be seduced by the apparent success of eg Coursera? Moderator (David Jennings): @Teresa probably just highlight, then copy and paste...? I'm not sure there's another way Andy Turner to Maren (Moderator), diana, Anna Davidge, Caroline Greves, David Jennings, Maren Deepwell: Great, thanks David, that worked :-) Lisa Anderson 1: How is this MOOC being funded? I struggle to see how they can be financially viable for HEI's. cb #2: @SolentRoger dropout rates Coursera hard to compare. Reasons joining much more diverse, cost 0 Kim Aling: But can they give effective feedback? Graham R Gibbs: What are the current technology developments that will help improve efficiency in discursive and discursive subjects like the social sciences that require lots of tutor input for seminars, marking etc.? Sue Barnes: We can use other things than essays to assess! Moderator (Maren (Moderator)): ocTEL was developed with support from the Innovation and Transformation fund from the Leadership Foundation in HIgher Education, however the design, writing and tutoring of the course is done by ALT Members on a voluntary basis. Lee C: You can save the chat by clicking file in the top left, then save and then Chat Conversation Bristol TEL: I think we should do a mooc on "How to peer assess" with a badge. This would mean that when you did more moocs they would know IF your peer assessment was of a sufficent quality Phil Tubman - Lancaster Uni: how does any of this differentiate from iTunes U? seemed to have good courses and uni controlled publishing costs Sancha (GraphDesProject): Diana expressed interest in quality of online HE - but isn't there a danger that people might use a pattern from the PPC (even with developments) that doesn't fit so well? Andy Turner: @Jim K. How best to dealing with time zone differences and more synchronicity with Open Distance Learning is My #ocTEL Big Question at the moment... Kim Aling: Perhaps more peer assessed collaborative activities Bristol TEL: I just finished a mooc and the peer assessment I got was good. Some other participants were not so lucky Sue Barnes: Surely if a student writes an essay it deserves to be read by a human! Otherwise what is an essay? Andy Turner to Maren (Moderator), diana, Anna Davidge, Caroline Greves, David Jennings, Maren Deepwell: Hi Kim Aling: Hi Andy, I agree. I have students who are overseas and we have great difficulties arranging online tutorials Uwe: I think peer feedback / assessment depends on how engaged participants are Geoff Constable: @Phil Tubman - but iTunesU is a proprietary solution? SolentRoger: @cb #2 Yes true. Our business model (as a uni) relies on retention so it is invested in. damonhill: Good point Sue Kim Aling: Thoroughly agree @Sue cb #2: @Phil Tubman don't get me started about iTunes... Rob McKerlie: How can MOOC's be made financially viable for institutions? Phil Tubman - Lancaster Uni: as is coursera and udacity - but itunes u content is hosted in hosue and rss'ed to the platform Sue Barnes: Put an essay on itunes and grade it by how many views it gets! Lucinda - Victoria University Australia: explain the 1:25 teacher student ratio ... is this standard used in HE Bristol TEL: @sue barnes, that would only grade how good the person was at driving traffic to their essay - not the essay cb #2: @Phil iTunes *forces* software. An HTML5 website is totally different. Since Conference and Journal on 'the use of iPads in Higher Education" I can't take all research on this serious any more. Phil Tubman - Lancaster Uni: and why could we not have done this years ago with moodle (if open source is your thing) - thats what i don't understand about MOOCs and their flagship platforms Sue Barnes: @ Bristol TEL I agree Elizabeth Charles: @Sue Barnes you would get a hit just landing on the page - but that wouldn't mean that the essay has actually been read. Andy Turner to Maren (Moderator), diana, Anna Davidge, Caroline Greves, David Jennings, Maren Deepwell: @Kim Aling I was thinking there wasa scale issue with this. As the more participants there are, the more chance there is that there are good sets of subroups for more synchronous collaborative exercises... cb #2: @Phil Tubman Moodle much better, building on OU experience, so Futurelearn? Anyone already know (hope to hear more tomorrow) Sue Barnes: @Elizabeth Charles I agree Andy Turner to Maren (Moderator), diana, Anna Davidge, Caroline Greves, David Jennings, Maren Deepwell: Sorry, I'll send that to the group. I was going to ask you something else... Andy Turner: @Kim Aling I was thinking there wasa scale issue with this. As the more participants there are, the more chance there is that there are good sets of subroups for more synchronous collaborative exercises... Phil Tubman - Lancaster Uni: @cb it does force use of the itunes platform, but other institutions set up their own websites with the same rss feeds which is open. look at the Oxford openspires stuff... Muyi: Maybe we need to stop assessing at the point of teaching, and move it closer to the point of knowledge application. In other words, let the workplace be the assessor of competency? Daran: @Sue Barnes I think Sue's comment was meant to be ironic? Sue Barnes: Perhaps I should have written "Put an essay on itunes and grade it by how many views it gets!" Not!! cb #2: @Phil can I make an iTunes U course WITHOUT using apple products? Phil Tubman - Lancaster Uni: futurelearn sounds to me like iplayer for HE Dr John Wrighton 1: joined the webinar a little late! What have I missed so far? Sue Barnes: @Daran Thanks - I wanted to add an ironic smiley but didn't know how! Phil Tubman - Lancaster Uni: @cb no, but you could access an itunes u course without apple Kim Aling: @Andy, yes, if there are distinct subgroups. Asynchronous collaboration via wikis and shared docs works well though Graham R Gibbs: Thanks Dianne - some good ideas there. Daran: @Sue Barnes ;-) cb #2: @Lucinda Australia is included in OECD indicators. 1:15 Moderator (David Jennings): @John Wrighton there will be a recording available in a few hours to catch up on what you missed (some polls, discussion and feedback, Diana's presentation) Sue Barnes: @Daran Thanks again Jim K.: @Andy Turner Are you using this as your small group question in the discussion forums? rldly: Thanks:) Dr John Wrighton 1: Thanks David. Looks like its been a lively & provocative session Jennie Osborn: Thanks everyone - nice to meet you all! Andy Turner: Thank you :-) Janesh: Thanks all. Sue Barnes: Thanks Kim Aling: Thank you :-) Jim K.: @Andy Turner find me on Twitter @Kerr63 or e-mail kerr.63@osu.edu SolentRoger: Thank You :-)) Geoff Constable: Thanks and bye folks. Lucinda - Victoria University Australia: Thanks @cb2 .. need to investiagte that further Uwe: Thank you :-) Rob McKerlie: Thanks :) Roger Gardner: Thanks Elizabeth Charles: Thank you :-) Jim Pettiward: Interesting - thanks very much :-) Daran: Thank you! Ping 1: Thanks! Phil Tubman - Lancaster Uni: thank you everyone see you next week! :) Lucinda - Victoria University Australia: thank you and night all aruna.ranasinghe: Thanks for your time Moderator (diana): A rich variety of comments and ideas there - thank goodness ALT will make the chat available for sober reflection - thank you! Laura McLoughlin: thank you cb #2: @Phil Apart from the fact I don't like it you can only make courses with one specific h/w and s/w provider. Sure functionality in my Firefox win7 config same as Apple products? If not, then *bad* cb #2: Thanks