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David Jennings
12:22
I'm seeing a different version of Elluminate/Collaborate than the one we've used before - is everyone seeing that too?
Sarah Sherman
12:23
Looks like this is version 12 - much better  
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David Jennings
12:23
possibly... everything new takes a little getting used to
James Little
12:24
Good afternoon  
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Rachel Harris
12:24
Hi James
David Jennings
12:25
Afternoon, James, glad you could make it
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Julie Voce
12:25
Hello
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Rachel Harris
12:26
Hi Julie
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Julie Voce
12:27
hearing you loud and clear Maren
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David Jennings
12:31
Nice to see so many names that were unknown to me 11 weeks ago, but are now familiar!
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AliSheph
12:36
to develop it further and get feedback from our students on what they liked and what they didn't
Liz Kirrane
12:37
to justify the initial expenditure
Sarah Sherman
12:37
To inform project funders that their grant was well spent!
Maren Deepwell
12:37
To reflect on how things have developed and how our view has changed
AliSheph
12:37
in advance of scaling up a pilot into a full rollout
Julie Voce
12:37
Provide evidence to Senior Management
Jo Conlon
12:37
To see what could be improved next time...
Stuart Allan
12:37
To get evidence of whether resources are helping the right people.
James Kerr
12:37
To justify additional funding
ElizabethEC
12:37
To evidence progress and quantifiable need for improvement
anne nortcliffe
12:37
to know it worked did it make the an impact on improvement on student learnig and experience
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MaggieJensen
12:42
Evaluation can be a really powerful way to emphasise the collaborative nature of education (teaching and learning), setting up a dialogue between learner and facilitator/tutor/teacher.
AliSheph
12:43
agree, maggie. our students nominated the course team for an elearning award for some stuff we had done, and it made us feel like we were all one big community!
MaggieJensen
12:43
 
David Jennings
12:43
Yes, the slides will be available from the course materials page http://octel.alt.ac.uk/course-materials/
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anne nortcliffe
12:47
Nicols assessment and feedback evaluation has been helpful gain student learning from use of ne feedback aprpoaches
Sandie Gay
12:47
student-led evaluation?
ElizabethEC
12:48
peer2peer evaluation?
I haven't used it successfully myself but the reports I have read seem to suggest a credible source
12:49
Kathrine Jensen
12:49
I found ongoing blogging about project progress helped build evidence that I can then use in evaluation - to avoid the tendency to consider things 'after the act'
anne nortcliffe
12:50
asking students to on-going record their reflections of using the technology
Kathrine Jensen
12:50
I find the challenge is to embed evaluation throughout the project
Stuart Allan
12:50
It would be good to hear any experiences of using student focus groups for formative evaluation.
Jo Conlon
12:50
Could you say more about history of the future techniques?
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AliSheph
12:51
kathrine - yes, i've seen that being used effectively
Jim Pettiward
12:52
I think if we're trying to have an agile approach to these kind of projects then feedback and evaluation is a constant part of the process (rather than waiting till the end and finding out that it didn't work).
Jo Conlon
12:52
Thank you
Sandie Gay
12:53
Jim - you took the words out of my keyboard....
Stuart Allan
12:53
Probably at what stage of development you'd use them, and what questions to ask.
Jim Pettiward
12:53
@Sandie - great minds and all that... 
Sandie Gay
12:53
and put them better - I was trying to say the same  
Julie Voce
12:53
we're going to be running focus groups with students to gets their views on our VLE implementation
David Jennings
12:53
Sorry to be a bit slow, but I'm wondering if there are any methods - learning analytics, aside - that are specific to TEL?
Julie Voce
12:54
Things like usability testing are not specific to TEL, but to technology
Jim Pettiward
12:54
We're trying to get a student focus group to blog about our ongoing student dig lit project but it's proving quite difficult, especially at this time of year!
David Jennings
12:54
OK, thanks  
Teresa
12:56
Any ideas for dealing with student fatigue with questionnaires (e.g.module questionnaires, NSS)?
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ElizabethEC
12:56
Nice one Teresa
anne nortcliffe
12:56
we have found best response to surveys is before Christmas or at the end of year after exams, students have time to complete survey
Julie Voce
12:57
@Teresa, We've recently launched a new survey platform so that surveys have more consistency in terms of interface. There is also going to be a governance group to oversee surveys to students to ensure there aren't too many at a time and to try and combine them where possible
Sandie Gay
12:57
some of the other methods such as course/programme mapping sound interesting and avoids surveys?
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Jo Conlon
12:57
They have to perceive there is a benefit - ie not just a tick-box
AliSheph
12:58
good idea julie, i think there is a lot of survey fatigue out there
Sandie Gay
12:58
also let them know when the improvements they suggest have been implemented or if not why not
Julie Voce
12:58
Also, ensuring that Surveys go through the student union is another way to ensure students complete them
Jim Pettiward
12:58
- get them to help you design the questions (if possible)
anne nortcliffe
12:58
Also ethics to consider when evaluating, to measure doing nothing against TEL innovation
Teresa
12:59
Are students more comfortable with giving feedback through social media rather than a formal questionnaire?
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Julie Voce
13:00
@Teresa, I guess it would depend on their feedback. If they want to remain anonymous, then social media isn't the best means
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Liz Kirrane
13:01
it is important to provide timely feedback to the students, or others, who are providing feedback!
Sandie Gay
13:01
I've seen questionnaires asking questions just because you can rather than relevant to the purpose of the survey - need to think what the answers are informing and how you can use that data?
AliSheph
13:02
hmm, this is very timely as i am just about to design a survey!
Julie Voce
13:02
Nothing from me
Nabil
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Kathrine Jensen
13:04
@AliSheph important to be clear about difference between the objective of the question is (i.e. what you want to know) and the wording of the question (how you want to get this information, a meaningful measure). Top tip from me 
AliSheph
13:04
good tip, thanks!
Sandie Gay
13:04
I've just worked the image out! Optical illusion...
Jo Conlon
13:05
Hi Maren, I have offered to post a question regarding ocTEL partcipation and CMALT accrediatation. Please could you say something on this in this session?
Rachel Harris
13:05
Sandie, It's from the Macintosh tower in Glasgow  
Sandie Gay
13:06
@Rachel - thanks
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Stuart Allan
13:09
Well done ALT - great course, great materials, brilliant tutors.
James Little
13:10
Just to echo it's been a great experience as both a participant and to get involved
David Jennings
13:10
Who would like to tell us what we should do more or less of?
Sandie Gay
13:10
Will current participants be able to join into OcTel 2.0?
James Little
13:10
What kind of opportunities would there be to get invovled in ocTEL 2.0?
ElizabethEC
13:10
David - the one thing that caused problems for a number of participants was the changing of the day and time of the webinars
Sandie Gay
13:10
Particularly if they haven't been able to participate much this time?
Maren Deepwell
13:10
Yes, you will be able to participate. We'll be opening sign up soon.
David Jennings
13:10
Thanks, James, for being one of our 20 volunteer tutors - very much appreciated!
Sandie Gay
13:10
Oh, I recognise that image - Kelvin Hall
Jo Conlon
13:11
I think it has been great, thank you all. The pace was quite fast - could a half-term / reading week be built in?
AliSheph
13:11
OU they do 2 webinars a week - one during day and one in evening. this seems to work well but would be a bigger time investment
anne nortcliffe
13:11
One thought ocTEL v2 class activity to enable participants to collate all the learning together, as personally embraced all different learning technology being used from blogs, twitter, forum and email, now it is disparit across the sphere
need for collating technology together
13:11
James Little
13:11
agree with Anne N's comments
Liz Kirrane
13:11
Great idea Jo, I have felt at several points that I wanted time to catch up and reflect, it was a bit relentless. Absolutely great though, thank you.
AliSheph
13:11
yes, i'd echo that anne. i thought course reader was good but if it could be organised by theme that would be even better
ElizabethEC
13:12
Davids comments on my forum entries have been insightful and encouraged a much deeper considerations of the issues at hand. Thanks David
AliSheph
13:12
i think maybe a break week in the middle would have been good?
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Jo Conlon
13:12
Agree re David's comments
Rachel
13:12
@Ali agree a break would be good
David Jennings
13:12
You're very welcome, Elizabeth - & thanks for saying that  
James Little
13:12
As a tutor it was interesting be given a free reign in helping out... and I can see that the guidance given for tutors evolved over the course
Sue Folley
13:13
Yes time seemed to be the biggest issue with people
Jim Pettiward
13:13
I think it's been a really well organised course and I've gained a lot from it and will continue to do so through the coming weeks/months. It seemed to thin out a lot towards the end - I think the Week 0 break out forums had a lot of potential. Felt a bit isolated at times as I said in my response to David.
AliSheph
13:13
yes, i think those small groups were a bit of a missed opportunity
Rachel
13:13
@ Jim agree that the potential of the week 0 Groups was not exploited.
ElizabethEC
13:13
I agree with Jim about isolation perhaps hangouts should have been arranged by groups?
AliSheph
13:13
could have fed them back into certain activities throughout the course
Jo Conlon
13:14
Agree re small groups
MaggieJensen
13:14
Ali's comment earlier about running to webinars a week - one in the day and one in the evening - would really useful.
David Jennings
13:14
What do people think of ocTEL 2.0 being shorter (say, 6-7 topics/weeks, rather than 10)?
ElizabethEC
13:14
I cannot connect to microphone
MaggieJensen
13:14
I don't think ocTEL 2.0 should be shorter
AliSheph
13:14
i think it would have to be fewer topics rather than try to cram in same amount in fewer weeks
Jo Conlon
13:14
Perhaps form groups a bit later - so much to do / not everyone involved in week 0. There was real potential though.
Liz Kirrane
13:14
Timing of the course has been an issue for me too, second marking period in recent weeks has had to take priority I'm afraid.
Jim Pettiward
13:14
the G+ community didn't take off as much as I thought it could. But then of course we're all in it together and perhaps as participants didn't try hard to enough to form a community...
Rachel
13:14
I think the content has been so good I am not sure what you could cut out!
AliSheph
13:14
snap liz
anne nortcliffe
13:14
shorter maybe two different ocTels one on technology set task for people to design.
ElizabethEC
13:15
I agree with Ali on a possible reduction.
Jo Conlon
13:15
Agree re Anne
anne nortcliffe
13:15
later another ocTEL on evaluations
Rachel Harris
13:15
Yes lots of resources on evaluation  
Carolyn Jones
13:15
The content has been excellent - it will take some time for me to reflect on it. Thank you all for all your hard work and enthusiasm. It has been much appreciated.
Stuart Allan
13:15
Maybe some kind of group project / assessment would help us make more connections?
Maren Deepwell
13:16
Yes, early 2014...
MaggieJensen
13:17
I agree with Rachel about the content being good and not wanting to miss any of it. In addition, it has been quite intensive with a fulltime job 'on the side', so 10 weeks is just the right time for me. January to early March would be good. I would definitely be keen to attend again as I have missed quite a bit lately.
Rachel
13:17
Agree, a longer window for each topic would be great.
James Little
13:17
agree the catchuping up / parallel weeks concept
Jo Conlon
13:17
I also felt I could have used ocTEL for beginners. There is a large difference in experience level and use of technologies. Week 0 was a 'light touch' week but in hind-sight perhaps the recommendations needed to be stronger to ensure people are ready to go - ready to participate.
ElizabethEC
13:17
agree with either less topic or longer window for each topic
anne nortcliffe
13:18
particularly enabling part one of people being able to do show'n'tell in part 2. Break apply the technology as pilot. Part 2 looking at evaluating as collectve; so encourage the community support as collective evaluation of one anothers of approach, look at risks of making main stream, evaluation issues, implementation issues.
Jim Pettiward
13:18
How about having the 3 larger topic areas with a week or so inbetween?
ElizabethEC
13:18
Like the suggestion Jim
anne nortcliffe
13:19
Equally part 1 of the technologies and then actually doing encourage in cyberspace joint activities development of TEL to apply as pilot
MaggieJensen
13:19
Jo's idea about ocTEL for beginners is a good idea with more guidance on using/trying out different technologies.
Jim Pettiward
13:19
@Elizabeth - might help to break it up a bit and give people time to catch up..
Julie Voce
13:19
Perhaps a credits slide?
Liz Kirrane
13:19
Yes, there seemed to be a massive difference in starting points - I felt I wasn't on the same playing field as many others.
anne nortcliffe
13:20
It has been thought provoking and supportive of other activities I have been doing along side in HEA etc bids and my own use of technology use with students and new project initatives
Liz Kirrane
13:20
Basic, intermediate and advanced level ocTELs?
AliSheph
13:20
i think there's something else about marketing of ocTEL in future - to reach academics who aren't in the TEL community or wouldn't identify themselves as such
David Jennings
13:20
ok
consensus is that it shouldn't be shorter, it seems
13:21
AliSheph
13:21
agree liz - i'm an MA student in this area so could have done with a more advanced course, not to say i still didn't get a lot out of ocTEL
Sandie Gay
13:21
http://bit.ly/11PIvkf
David Jennings
13:21
thanks - useful feedback!
(I do wonder if we asked the people who are no longer with us if it should be shorter - perhaps they might give a different answer...?)
13:22
Jo Conlon
13:22
Like the cake Sandie!
Sue Folley
13:22
I think same time but less topics so running topics over a 2 week period rather than 1
AliSheph
13:22
downside of this evaluation method david !!!
ElizabethEC
13:22
David - I think it would be useful to ask for feedback from those who dropped out as well.
Sue Folley
13:22
I also know a lot of lurkers who enjoyed the course
Sandie Gay
13:23
http://bit.ly/1bZmmF3
David Jennings
13:23
yes, agreed, Elizabeth, but getting feedback from those who have dropped out is hard!
Sandie Gay
13:23
community
James Little
13:23
exploring topics through sharing ideas with others
MaggieJensen
13:23
David, I think the resistance to a shorter course for me at least, is the fear that it would be much more intensive.
Jo Conlon
13:23
Finally using some of these technologies with purpose
Sandie Gay
13:23
new ways of thinking
AliSheph
13:23
yes, 'meeting' others interested in this area
Liz Kirrane
13:23
insight into what is going on out there in the wider sector
AliSheph
13:23
and it gave a focus to my blog
Carolyn Jones
13:23
I made a really helpful connection which seems to be ongoing - I am really appreciateive of this.
David Jennings
13:23
Understood, Maggie, thanks - we'd have to guard against that
Sue Folley
13:23
Learning from others and the discussions
Jim Pettiward
13:23
the interactions really... and access to new and interesting resources
ElizabethEC
13:23
my highlight was the community and discovering that I have a creative side
Rachel
13:23
Insights from others have been invaluable
Sandie Gay
13:23
you get very inward looking otherwise
anne nortcliffe
13:23
challenging of my TEL perceptions and practice
Stuart Allan
13:24
Getting a sense of orientation in TEL - what resources to look at, who to follow on Twitter, interacting with peers.
anne nortcliffe
13:24
provoking of ideas of TEL for myself and colleagues
Sue Folley
13:24
Finding some great resources to share with others
Teresa
13:24
I hadn't used Blackboard Collaborate before so it was reallt interesting to see how it works. I'm planning to experiment with using it for teaching next year.
Rachel
13:24
@ Sue agree resources were good
AliSheph
13:24
yes, lots of new resources
ElizabethEC
13:24
community made me re-evaluate my practice and sharing of resources
Phil Martin
13:24
The openness of OU to share their iTunes U usage data
Emily
13:24
Getting different viewpoints through the forums and being forced to reflect
David Jennings
13:25
My highlight was the champion contributors - many of them here now - who really carried the momentum of the course. This was a *massive* part of making it a success, so thank you!
MaggieJensen
13:25
I'm so busy reading the responses and generally agree with all of them.
Sarah Sherman
13:25
 
Sandie Gay
13:25
Much like how I was with the course!
anne nortcliffe
13:26
how long the resources going to stay up so you can catch up on some of the activities
Sandie Gay
13:26
Enjoy!
AliSheph
13:26
the thanks goes to the course team for all their efforts 
Sandie Gay
13:26
Ditto
Sue Folley
13:26
yes agree
Jim Pettiward
13:27
my 'instrumentalist self' baulked at doing the more formal tasks without accreditation! Didn't realise I was such a student...! The community, interactions and resources really made it worthwhile though, and as it's a MOOC we can choose how much and when we participate, right?
MaggieJensen
13:27
Yes, I have some catching up to do as well, so would be great if resources and forums were open
ElizabethEC
13:27
Thank you to the course team and participants for making this so enjoyable and informative.
anne nortcliffe
13:27
I am going to try use Flip and storify to collate the learning for long term practical reference
Colette
13:27
access to very interesting & varied resources
James Little
13:27
thanks everyone - particpants, course team and volunteer tutors! It's been (and continues) to be a good, positive experience.
Jim Pettiward
13:28
Thanks to everyone who worked so hard on it  
Liz Kirrane
13:28
Thank you to the course team, it has been incredibly well organised and delivered.
MaggieJensen
13:28
Thank you  
ElizabethEC
13:28
 
Jo Conlon
13:28
Thanks  
anne nortcliffe
13:28
OCTEL team big THANK YOU! 
Sue Folley
13:29
Thanks all - it has been a great course
Julie Voce
13:29
Thank you everyone  
David Jennings
13:29
cheers!
Jim Pettiward
13:29
well done everyone - see you on the next one maybe  
Rachel
13:29
Yes! Looking forward to octel 2.0!
ElizabethEC
13:29
Thanks all  
Liz Kirrane
13:29
I will be back!
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AliSheph
13:29
thank you
Sarah Sherman
13:29
Thanks everyone - I've lost sound on my laptop - but thanks all for the contributions!!
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James Little
13:30
thanks all
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James Kerr
13:30
Thanks to all!
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Sandie Gay
13:30
Bye
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Colette
13:30
Many thanks, Bye
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